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		<title>Von: Germany. Why this country really sucks once in a while. &#124; davaidavai.com</title>
		<link>http://davaidavai.com/2009/07/25/germany-why-we-struggle-with-2-0/comment-page-1/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>Germany. Why this country really sucks once in a while. &#124; davaidavai.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by WP Greet BoxIt&#8217;s never been easy to be German. Four months ago I started a post about why Germany struggles with Web 2.0 with exactly the same words. My thesis then was the same thesis today: Germans love to be whiny, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by WP Greet BoxIt&#8217;s never been easy to be German. Four months ago I started a post about why Germany struggles with Web 2.0 with exactly the same words. My thesis then was the same thesis today: Germans love to be whiny, [...]</p>
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		<title>Von: davaidavai.com &#124; ethority Presseblog</title>
		<link>http://davaidavai.com/2009/07/25/germany-why-we-struggle-with-2-0/comment-page-1/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>davaidavai.com &#124; ethority Presseblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a little bit different. And the German Web 2.0 is even more different. We’re pretty much the Galapagos Islands of the Internet. Thanks to ethority we have now a German [...]</description>
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		<title>Von: pfandfrei</title>
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		<dc:creator>pfandfrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wrote this before i read andre&#039;s response...i deleted the repeat stuff:

It feels like your post compares the US and German populations and asks why Germany isn’t more like the US.  I think instead the question should be: Germans obviously conceive the internet differently - what type of website can capitalize on their use and perceived value of the internet?  That’s a tough question and one more for the startups and anthropologists than amateurs like me.  

 With regards to blogging, the concept really took off in the US partially because prominent journalists embraced it in its early stages (both becoming bloggers themselves and by citing blogs in their news stories).  It’s pretty understandable if German journalists don’t want to dig their own grave as US journalists did.  But why should a culture that has deep respect for established credentials embrace something as upstart as blogging at all?  On another note, why should twitter excite a population that uses SMSs differently than Americans?    Does a healthy social media scene need either of these functions?   

And web enthusiasts often forget, most Americans don’t care about blogging, social media, or twitter – it’s just a prominent minority that pays attention to these things.  Perhaps Germany, with a smaller population, just has more trouble finding the enthusiasts who will set the tone for the rest of the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wrote this before i read andre&#8217;s response&#8230;i deleted the repeat stuff:</p>
<p>It feels like your post compares the US and German populations and asks why Germany isn’t more like the US.  I think instead the question should be: Germans obviously conceive the internet differently &#8211; what type of website can capitalize on their use and perceived value of the internet?  That’s a tough question and one more for the startups and anthropologists than amateurs like me.  </p>
<p> With regards to blogging, the concept really took off in the US partially because prominent journalists embraced it in its early stages (both becoming bloggers themselves and by citing blogs in their news stories).  It’s pretty understandable if German journalists don’t want to dig their own grave as US journalists did.  But why should a culture that has deep respect for established credentials embrace something as upstart as blogging at all?  On another note, why should twitter excite a population that uses SMSs differently than Americans?    Does a healthy social media scene need either of these functions?   </p>
<p>And web enthusiasts often forget, most Americans don’t care about blogging, social media, or twitter – it’s just a prominent minority that pays attention to these things.  Perhaps Germany, with a smaller population, just has more trouble finding the enthusiasts who will set the tone for the rest of the country.</p>
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		<title>Von: Michelle Thorne (thornet) 's status on Tuesday, 28-Jul-09 11:09:39 UTC - Identi.ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Thorne (thornet) 's status on Tuesday, 28-Jul-09 11:09:39 UTC - Identi.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  http://davaidavai.com/2009/07/25/germany-why-we-struggle-with-2-0/  [...]</description>
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		<title>Von: Florian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Florian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good roundup Gerald! From my perspective (political communications) problem is mostly lack of strategy, social media just seen as fancy and trendy
 
Further reading (you might already know that): http://sz-magazin.sueddeutsche.de/texte/anzeigen/29176
and of course http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/business/05pr.html?_r=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good roundup Gerald! From my perspective (political communications) problem is mostly lack of strategy, social media just seen as fancy and trendy</p>
<p>Further reading (you might already know that): <a href="http://sz-magazin.sueddeutsche.de/texte/anzeigen/29176" rel="nofollow">http://sz-magazin.sueddeutsche.de/texte/anzeigen/29176</a><br />
and of course <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/business/05pr.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/business/05pr.html?_r=1</a></p>
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		<title>Von: Gerald</title>
		<link>http://davaidavai.com/2009/07/25/germany-why-we-struggle-with-2-0/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the replies. André, I do agree with you in many things. No, my mentioned examples are not necessarily strictly limited to the German landscape. But they are typical for how I describe Germany: As a corporate state with a lot of scepticism for individual technologies. This may fit to other states as well. But the German example is what I described here. And no, Social Media isn&#039;t necessarily the only step forward. Other things may as well be important. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the replies. André, I do agree with you in many things. No, my mentioned examples are not necessarily strictly limited to the German landscape. But they are typical for how I describe Germany: As a corporate state with a lot of scepticism for individual technologies. This may fit to other states as well. But the German example is what I described here. And no, Social Media isn&#8217;t necessarily the only step forward. Other things may as well be important. <img src='http://davaidavai.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Von: André</title>
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		<dc:creator>André</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know that your examples are particularly German. Vodafone trying to act social and building a presence on Facebook and Twitter, because it&#039;s considered hot right now? There&#039;s tons of other marketers all over who do the same.
Publishers not having figured out how to monetize their content online? Again, not a problem unique to Germany.
Content filtering and talk of censorship? First thing I think of is MPAA ;)
What may be unique to Germany is that whenever something new comes around that threatens to replace something established, those who&#039;ve got something to lose will label the &quot;new thing&quot; as the end of the world.

All that being said I don&#039;t think social marketing is the (only) way forward. There&#039;s a place for it, but it&#039;s not for everyone. And it doesn&#039;t have to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that your examples are particularly German. Vodafone trying to act social and building a presence on Facebook and Twitter, because it&#8217;s considered hot right now? There&#8217;s tons of other marketers all over who do the same.<br />
Publishers not having figured out how to monetize their content online? Again, not a problem unique to Germany.<br />
Content filtering and talk of censorship? First thing I think of is MPAA <img src='http://davaidavai.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
What may be unique to Germany is that whenever something new comes around that threatens to replace something established, those who&#8217;ve got something to lose will label the &#8220;new thing&#8221; as the end of the world.</p>
<p>All that being said I don&#8217;t think social marketing is the (only) way forward. There&#8217;s a place for it, but it&#8217;s not for everyone. And it doesn&#8217;t have to be.</p>
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		<title>Von: Steffen staeuber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steffen staeuber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your absolutely right.I think the problem in Germany is simply that we are too affraid to fail.that&#039;s the reason we don&#039;t try out new things and learn from our mistakes.instead we try to copy concepts that work from us companies without the willingness to also change the whole culture that it also work in this new social media world. I think the only solution is to start the revolution and just proof that it also works in germany!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your absolutely right.I think the problem in Germany is simply that we are too affraid to fail.that&#8217;s the reason we don&#8217;t try out new things and learn from our mistakes.instead we try to copy concepts that work from us companies without the willingness to also change the whole culture that it also work in this new social media world. I think the only solution is to start the revolution and just proof that it also works in germany!</p>
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		<title>Von: Jens</title>
		<link>http://davaidavai.com/2009/07/25/germany-why-we-struggle-with-2-0/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Jens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well written. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>Von: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://davaidavai.com/2009/07/25/germany-why-we-struggle-with-2-0/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerald, this is one great article! Hats off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerald, this is one great article! Hats off!</p>
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